hey all!

hoping to get some feedback from the collective on a recipe i will be helping with in the near future.

first the recipe is for all-grain. we do not have the equipment or experience for that so we are using extract.

here is the recipe.

Double IPA (makes 10 gallons:)

30 pounds 2 row barley
2 pounds brown sugar

At the beginning of the boil add 2 oz Chinook hops after 30 minutes add 2 oz Amarillo hops
after 45 minutes add 1 oz Amarillo hops
after 60 minutes add 1 oz Amarillo hops
after 75 minutes add 1 oz Amarillo hops
after 90 minutes add 2 oz Crystal hops

Use Cal Ale yeast
Add 1 oz per 5 gallons dry hop cascade


using 21 lbs of pale LME. can we keep the 90 minute boil boil time or should we shorten it (don't want to burn it)

would adding 1 - 2 lbs of british crystal 55L or crystal 30L have a negative effect on the overall flavor? was looking at adding it/them to get rid of the brown sugar.

just thoughts while we wait for brew day. i've never had an IPA so cannot use my taste buds on this, and the person i am assisting is making this to surprise her hubby (he is the brewer) when he gets back from overseas.

thanks in advance.
nessa



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Everything looks good on the LME and even using the Crystal malt steeping grains. I think a 90minute boil will be too much since I had it at like 110IBU before the last 2-3 hop additions. This is ALOT even for a Double IPA so you can get away with the 60minute boil. Or do a 90minute boil and dramatically decrease your hops. Man your killing us with the hop shortage!!hahaha IPA's are my favorite and best part is it's too bitter for my friends so they dont drink all my beer.

both the local hbs and myself suggested reducing the hops, but my friend didn't want to hear it. "the hops is what makes it good!"

i'll try to talk into reducing the hops again. hopefully i can catch her before she goes shopping!

if not then maybe i can squeeze out a smaller 5 gall batch with the "extra" hops

thanks alot!

Nessa,

I'm having a bit of trouble understanding your hops schedule. Normally, in beer recipe's I see "boil for XX minutes", instead of "after XX minutes, add...". If I'm understanding you correctly your hopping schedule only requires 45 minutes of boil time. You shouldn't require the additional 45 minutes boil time with this schedule, nor to have a good hot break. I'd suggest saving yourself some time and cutting it out (again, IF im understanding you correctly).

Here's how I'd write out the hops schedule, let me know if it coincides with what you intend to do:

1 oz. Amarillo hops - 45 minutes
1 oz. Amarillo hops -30 minutes
1 oz. Amarillo hops - 15 minutes
2 oz. Crystal hops - flameout (ie - added to the kettle after you shut off the flame to your burner, just before chilling)

With that hops schedule, you should be around 100 IBU's, perhaps as high as 110. That is a very respectable IPA! Let me know if I misunderstood you, or not.


Cheers
Dave

Good point!! The hop schedule should be put as minutes left in boil. So if you have say Amarillo going in at 15 min left in boil it should say Amarillo at 15minutes.

OOPS!

Sorry nessa, but I didnt read that you intended to do a 10 gallon batch.
If indeed I am correct about your hops schedule, your IBU rating would only be around 50 - 55 IBU's. Thats not a tremendous amount for an IPA!
If I am understanding your hops schedule correctly, you are in the right territory for an American IPA.
Can someone educate me on what exactly a Double IPA is?
Double the amount of hops?
Double the boil time?
I dunno. I've never tried one before.
Best of Luck!

Cheers
Nessa

I punched in the first 3 hops into beertools under 10gallons and I got over 100IBU rating. I can check again but, when he said 45minutes into boil I assumed a 90minute boil so put down as 45minutes. I have free beertools so could only put in 3 of the hops.

A double IPA is similar if not same as Imperial IPA where it has lots of hops and lots of alcohol. Imperials generally are 90+ IBU and over 8% alcohol.

Vanwolfhausen,

Thanks for the info! I did not know that about a Double IPA/Imperial IPA. Good Stuff.

As for the IBU's, I used Beersmith to calculate the IBU's based on the boil schedule I posted above. I used the default 'Amarillo Gold' hops on Beersmith, which have an Alpha of 8.5%.
The truth is, once I added in the grains, the IBU's dropped DRAMATICALLY, to around 25!!!!

I think that more information about the hops schedule will be required to really get an idea of whats going on.

Cheers
Dave

Having a 6 pack pack of double IPA's is like having a case of any other beer.haha Of course if you don't like IPA's you will definately not like this one. I could have screwed up the IBU on beertools. I punched it in rather quickly.

Usually anything over 60 minutes does not give more bitterness. I would go as is. It will be a hoppy good time. Double ipa's are very bitter & i love them!!
As for the 90 minute boil i always do a 60 minute. I have done 90 before but have not noticed any difference to use up 30 minutes of my time for.
The grains could be steeped(i would remove them before it gets to 170 degrees. They will not give you much in the way of alcohol but will give it a bit more malt flavor & a redish tinge of color.
I would toss in some brown sugar for good measure but thats just me & my love for %!!
Let us know how it turns out. Do you already have the hops? They are getting hard to find & expensive.
Let me know if you need some. I might toss in a couple extra ounces for a troop serving in iraq!!

okay..
i had posted a reply but it didn't show up!

using promash with the original hop additions the ibu's were 133.9 with no contribution from the crystal and cascade at the end.

with a 90 minute boil the hop schedule would have looked something like this:
chinook 2 oz at start, (boil for 90minutes)
2 0z amarillo boil for 60 minutes,
1 oz amarillo boil for 45 minutes,
1 oz amarillo boil for 30 minutes,
1 oz amarillo boil for 15 minutes
2 oz crystal hops at flame out,
dry hop 2 oz cascade.

guitarlord you left out the chinook, and the cascade earlier, that may be why the ibu's were so low. (shrug)

i have played around with promash since i started this post,
for a 60 minute boil
chinook 2 oz at 60,
amarillo 2 oz boil for 45,
1 oz amarillo boil for 30
2 oz crystal hops at flame out,
dry hop 2 oz cascade

ibu's are at 103.1

my friend is a bit flighty, so i really will not know what she decides on until it happens, but i have already talked to vance at the hbs and gave him a heads up.
between the two of us, (the hbs guy and myself) we Should be able to gently steer her in the direction we want to go

apparently my friend called the store today, he convinced her that the british crystal would work well, and now has her thinking belgian candi with or instead of brown sugar.

i mentioned the british to try to get her away from the processed sugars. for medical reasons.

its her and her hubby that will be drinking this, i'm only going to snag enough for my hubby to sample, and maybe enter for comps.

jeepguy thanks for the potential offer of hops.