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The RIMS Chronicles

Postby GuitarLord5000 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:54 am

I've looked at nearly all the different brewing systems out there, and have pretty much decided that my future brewery will be a direct fired RIMS system. This type of system just makes sense to me, and since several of my brewclub members are already using some version of direct fired RIMS and HERMS, I am fortunate to have their experience in guiding me through this. This is going to be a very long term project, as I will be buying everything a piece at a time as money allows. Then, once I have all the components, I'll need to build a stand and put them all together. I'll be posting to this thread with any new developments.

Here's some requirements for my RIMS:
Propane fueled.
Single tier, with all brewing liquids being pumped.
Full temperature control of both the Mash and the Hot liquor.
Ability to do controlled step mashes.
Temperature probe in the outflow of the mash tun so as to avoid wort scorching.
Low profile brew stand to avoid back strain.
Dedicated carbon filter for brewing water.
(Eventually) Heat Exchange Plate Chiller.
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Re: The RIMS Chronicles

Postby GuitarLord5000 » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:16 am

I've already purchased a few things for my RIMS, and where possible I'll post links to these items and give a brief description of their use (for those not familiar with how a direct fired RIMS operates).

First off, I picked up two temperature controllers. These controllers are essentially the brains of a RIMS system:
http://auberins.com/index.php?main_page ... ucts_id=14

I also picked up two temperature sensors, which will go into the outflow of the mash tun and HLT:
http://auberins.com/index.php?main_page ... ucts_id=96

When you hook these two together, you basically have a digital thermometer which is capable of turning something on and off. In this case, it will be turning my propane burners on and off.

To do that, I'll need an electrically operated solenoid valve between my burners and propane tank. I picked up two of them on ebay for about $12 each shipped, though they usually are much more expensive. They are normally closed ASCO Red Hat valves. They come in an assortment of pipe and orifice sizes, as well as operating pressures and voltages. If you go this route, know what you're looking for before you buy!

So, what I have now is a digital thermometer which will be sensing the temperature of my mash tun while my mash is recirculating (I'll need a pump). Once the temperature goes below my set range, the PID will energize the solenoid valve, allowing propane to my burners (need some of them too). I'll need to light those burners somehow and since I don't want to be standing next to my brewstand with a bic lighter and a wad of newspaper, I'll need to pick up a couple pilot lights.

That's all for now!
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Re: The RIMS Chronicles

Postby GuitarLord5000 » Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:11 am

Today I purchased the first of two march pumps:
http://morebeer.com/view_product/17311/ ... ewing_Pump

I went with the morebeer pump because it comes with a mounting bracket and a wired cord and plug, and its supposed to be a pretty rugged pump. When money allows, I'll be picking up a second pump just like it.
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Re: The RIMS Chronicles

Postby GuitarLord5000 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:41 am

This morning, I purchased two pilot burners:
http://www.pexsupply.com/Honeywell-Q314 ... -4113000-p
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Re: The RIMS Chronicles

Postby curlyfat » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:21 pm

I can't wait to see the finished system! Please post pics as it goes together too...
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Re: The RIMS Chronicles

Postby curlyfat » Wed May 19, 2010 10:28 pm

I am looking into upgrading to a RIMS setup instead of "fire-and-stir" panic method.

My question, Guitarlord, are you just firing directly under the mash-tun and recirculating to keep from scorching? I worry about that being enough movement to avoid scorching the grain in my case, since my false bottom is not the full diameter of the pot.

Also, how does the wort re-enter the mash-tun? Would you want to it to be "sprinkled" on like when sparging? Or just pouring in from a tube?

I'll probably start simple and manually monitor everything, turn my burner on and off the old-fashioned way, and turn the pump on manually as well. I think I'll just use an in-line thermometer to monitor the output temp. I'm thinking this way, I only need to add a pump and some tubing and a thermo.
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Re: The RIMS Chronicles

Postby GuitarLord5000 » Thu May 20, 2010 1:13 am

curlyfat wrote:My question, Guitarlord, are you just firing directly under the mash-tun and recirculating to keep from scorching?
Yes.
I worry about that being enough movement to avoid scorching the grain in my case, since my false bottom is not the full diameter of the pot.
You'll really want a full diameter false bottom, to keep your grain away from the bottom of the pot. As long as the grain in your mash isn't coming into direct contact with the bottom of your tun, the recirculation will be enough to keep everything from scorching. Like I said before, there's several guys in my brew club who are using these types of systems, and none of them have any problems with scorched mash.
Also, how does the wort re-enter the mash-tun?
I'll have it coming in through a tube that will be submerged in the mash. Take a look at BIGALE's last picture.
http://www.deadyeast.com/phpBB2/viewtop ... c&start=30
This won't be exactly what I'm doing, but it'll give you the general idea. I'll have my tube adjustable to sit on the top of the mash, for the most efficient recirculation.

EDIT: Check out this video, at 1 min 50 seconds, this guy pulls out what I'll be using as an 'adjustable tube' for wort re-entry.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJaojHQyWh4

Would you want to it to be "sprinkled" on like when sparging? Or just pouring in from a tube?
This is still the hot side of brewing, so you don't want your wort to get too aerated. FWIW, I also don't sprinkle my sparge water for this reason. I don't know if it makes a difference, though. Just being careful.
I'll probably start simple and manually monitor everything, turn my burner on and off the old-fashioned way, and turn the pump on manually as well. I think I'll just use an in-line thermometer to monitor the output temp. I'm thinking this way, I only need to add a pump and some tubing and a thermo.
That sounds like a good way to go. The pump doesn't really need to be automated anyway, as it should remain on the entire time you're mashing. I'd recommend getting at least a really good digital thermometer to put in line to monitor your mash temp. Your way won't be 'set and forget' but it should keep your mash temps very regular, and should make step mashing not only possible but easy. Once you have that all set up, automation is just a few steps away.
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Re: The RIMS Chronicles

Postby curlyfat » Thu May 20, 2010 6:00 pm

Thanks for reply! It looks like I'll have to work on getting a larger false bottom first. I'll probably have to fabricate something since there's no false bottoms specifically for my pot. I went "cheap" with bayou classic pots.
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Re: The RIMS Chronicles

Postby GuitarLord5000 » Fri May 21, 2010 3:05 am

What size pots do you have? Here's a false bottom specifically designed for the Bayou Classic 9 gallon pots:
http://www.homebrewing.org/9-Gallon-fal ... _1236.html

Seems a bit pricey though. You might be better off fabricating your own either way.
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Re: The RIMS Chronicles

Postby curlyfat » Fri May 21, 2010 7:15 pm

I have the 15.5 gallon pots. I think I'll be able to create one, or add to the one I have.
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Re: The RIMS Chronicles

Postby GuitarLord5000 » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:23 pm

OK, so I decided not to go with the Morebeer pump for pump #2. Thanks to Mob Barley from the Dead Yeast Society for turning me on to this find. It's got nearly the same specs as a March 809, but with a Stainless Steel head. The Morebeer Stainless Head march pump goes for $395. This one is dirt cheap at 150 bucks ($139 before shipping).
https://www.pumpsforless.com/product.php?prodid=185

Now, I'm not recommending this pump to anyone, as I haven't tried it yet. I'm only documenting the equipment that I've purchased for the RIMS to date. Still, I figured it'd be worth the money to check it out. It seems like home brewing equipment is always more expensive than similar equipment used for other purposes, solely because it's home brewing equipment. I'm always on the lookout for a deal. Maybe this is one.
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Re: The RIMS Chronicles

Postby GuitarLord5000 » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:15 pm

Well, I finally pulled the trigger on one of these plate chillers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brazed-Stainless-St ... 27b3920493

It looks to be about the same size and surface area of the Therminator, only about half the price. I ain't sayin that this chiller will be as good as the Therminator, but I did purchase it in hopes that it would have at least somewhat similar cooling capacity. Things to note are that it's 316L Stainless Steel, which is a better grade for brewing than 304 (a lot of the cheaper plate chillers are made from 304), and it has the same plate dimensions AND plate count as the Therminator.

As with the Chugger pump, I'm not recommending it's use to anybody until I've had the chance to thoroughly test it out. Just noting the purchase here for posterity.
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Re: The RIMS Chronicles

Postby curlyfat » Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:03 am

I purchased what appears to be an identical heat-exchanger, except with only 20 plates. With the hose water going through and and wort pumped through full-tilt, I go from boiling to 80F. That's not good enough for me, so I re-circulate while I chill (Brutus Style) until I reach the desired temp.

I imagine with your chiller, you'll be able to pump straight through and end up in the 60s. Let us know how well it works. I know I wish I'd spent the "extra" on the 40 plate (even though i paid more for my 20 plate :x ). Good find!
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Re: The RIMS Chronicles

Postby GuitarLord5000 » Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:51 pm

Well then quit putting the wort through that thing full tilt! :lol:

Seriously, if you slow it down a hair, you might not have to go the recirculation route. I'll let you know how this one fares. I'll be comparing it to another club members Therminator. Should be exciting stuff!
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Re: The RIMS Chronicles

Postby curlyfat » Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:50 pm

Well then quit putting the wort through that thing full tilt! :lol:

Seriously, if you slow it down a hair, you might not have to go the recirculation route.


I did that a few times, it was difficult to narrow in on the final temp, though. This way, I can pump it till it's coming out at just the right temp, and I can get some aeration started as well...and I'm lazy. :lol:

Looking forward to your final result. I've been watching this thread over time.
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